diff --git a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/clanguage.py b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/clanguage.py
index 32d2c045b0..32aba81ab8 100644
--- a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/clanguage.py
+++ b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/clanguage.py
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
     Module, Class, Function, Parameter,
     permute_optional_groups,
     GETTER, SETTER, METHOD_INIT)
-from libclinic.converters import self_converter
+from libclinic.converters import defining_class_converter, self_converter
 from libclinic.parse_args import ParseArgsCodeGen
 if TYPE_CHECKING:
     from libclinic.app import Clinic
@@ -396,6 +396,12 @@ def render_function(
         first_optional = len(selfless)
         positional = selfless and selfless[-1].is_positional_only()
         has_option_groups = False
+        requires_defining_class = (len(selfless)
+                                   and isinstance(selfless[0].converter,
+                                                  defining_class_converter))
+        pass_vararg_directly = (all(p.is_positional_only() or p.is_vararg()
+                                    for p in selfless)
+                                and not requires_defining_class)
 
         # offset i by -1 because first_optional needs to ignore self
         for i, p in enumerate(parameters, -1):
@@ -404,6 +410,9 @@ def render_function(
             if (i != -1) and (p.default is not unspecified):
                 first_optional = min(first_optional, i)
 
+            if p.is_vararg() and not pass_vararg_directly:
+                data.cleanup.append(f"Py_XDECREF({c.parser_name});")
+
             # insert group variable
             group = p.group
             if last_group != group:
@@ -415,6 +424,11 @@ def render_function(
                     data.impl_parameters.append("int " + group_name)
                     has_option_groups = True
 
+            if p.is_vararg() and pass_vararg_directly:
+                data.impl_arguments.append('nvararg')
+                data.impl_parameters.append('Py_ssize_t nargs')
+                p.converter.type = 'PyObject *const *'
+
             c.render(p, data)
 
         if has_option_groups and (not positional):
diff --git a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/converter.py b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/converter.py
index 7d74331c73..86853bb4fb 100644
--- a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/converter.py
+++ b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/converter.py
@@ -296,10 +296,7 @@ def _render_non_self(
             data.post_parsing.append('/* Post parse cleanup for ' + name + ' */\n' + post_parsing.rstrip() + '\n')
 
         # cleanup
-        if parameter.is_vararg():
-            cleanup = f"Py_XDECREF({self.parser_name});"
-        else:
-            cleanup = self.cleanup()
+        cleanup = self.cleanup()
         if cleanup:
             data.cleanup.append('/* Cleanup for ' + name + ' */\n' + cleanup.rstrip() + "\n")
 
diff --git a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/parse_args.py b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/parse_args.py
index edf13e9f95..10bee51e09 100644
--- a/Tools/clinic/libclinic/parse_args.py
+++ b/Tools/clinic/libclinic/parse_args.py
@@ -524,6 +524,11 @@ def parse_pos_only(self) -> None:
 
         parser_code = []
         max_args = NO_VARARG if self.varpos else self.max_pos
+        if self.varpos:
+            self.declarations = f"Py_ssize_t nvararg = {nargs} - {self.max_pos};"
+        else:
+            self.declarations = ""
+
         if self.limited_capi:
             if nargs != 'nargs':
                 nargs_def = f'Py_ssize_t nargs = {nargs};'
@@ -594,7 +599,11 @@ def parse_pos_only(self) -> None:
             if has_optional:
                 parser_code.append("skip_optional:")
             if self.varpos:
-                parser_code.append(libclinic.normalize_snippet(self._parse_vararg(), indent=4))
+                if min(self.pos_only, self.min_pos) >= self.max_pos:
+                    start = f'args + {self.max_pos}' if self.max_pos else 'args'
+                    parser_code.append(libclinic.normalize_snippet(f"{self.varpos.converter.parser_name} = {start};", indent=4))
+                else:
+                    parser_code.append(libclinic.normalize_snippet(self._parse_vararg(), indent=4))
         else:
             for parameter in self.parameters:
                 parameter.converter.use_converter()
@@ -619,7 +628,7 @@ def parse_pos_only(self) -> None:
                         goto exit;
                     }}
                     """, indent=4)]
-        self.parser_body(*parser_code)
+        self.parser_body(*parser_code, declarations=self.declarations)
 
     def parse_general(self, clang: CLanguage) -> None:
         parsearg: str | None